Talk:Las Khorey

Not copyvio

The rewrite is identical to material found at [1]. However, clicking the "submitted by:" link at the top of the page will lead you to a page listing the date of posting as December 16, 2004, more than a week after this page was (re-)written. -- Cyrius|✎ 05:54, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A user is vandalising and deleting demographics and history erasing our identity to push their Somaliland propaganda Beentawaaxaraam (talk) 07:30, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Unreferenced

There are no inline citations for the information presented. I will ask that those who wish to have "Unreferenced" removed from the article start putting inline citations in the article. --Petercorless 08:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Again, read this. --Petercorless 11:47, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Las Khorey/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

==Start-class assessment== Missing infobox Missing references Missing organization into sections and subheadings Missing graphics, especially a map. Has Lat/Long coordinates, which is always good to add. --Petercorless 02:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 02:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 21:41, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 June 2021

Beentawaaxaraam (talk) 07:27, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

A user has been vandalising this page by deleting demographics and history nonstop Beentawaaxaraam (talk) 07:28, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Melmann 07:36, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

June 21

@ Jacob300 and Dabaqabad, Must I keep reminding you? you can't remove sourced content because it does not fit you're narrative. Las Qoray is NOT controlled by Somaliland, it's currently in Puntland's control.

Puntland

11111 11 102.128.131.245 (talk) 10:48, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Las Khorey (disc)

@Binglebarry regularly changing the real information is kind of vandalism. If you changing information you should use reference since information available on page is valuable. @Freetrashbox Muscab30 (talk) 02:16, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

I have credible sources for my claims and edits on Wiki pages. I assure you that your statement "regularly changing the real information is kind of vandalism" does not refer to my changes nor is that true. On a wide scaled subject, many people have made edits that go against 'one another' and that's really what Wikipedia is about. Being able to add, remove, and update text with sources is not vandalism. Binglebarry (talk) 04:15, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

To add on to my last reply of this (on Las qorey) please remember that you yourself are involved in valdalism with Somaliland and or Puntland related pages. You account will have to be reported if this continues.

If you have any questions or concerns feel free to drop them into my Talk page.

Thank you Binglebarry (talk) 04:18, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

@Muscab30:@Binglebarry: From my point of view, there is no significant difference in your editorial attitudes. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Edit warring, Wikipedia:Avoid the word "vandal", and Wikipedia:Writing for the opponent carefully. Freetrashbox (talk) 05:06, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

My "editorial attitudes" use sources to back up the info I put up and or edit. I also use sources published later than the other persons so in reality my edits are a lot more credible than the counter part. Many of which are Trusted sources or even government websites/verified social media pages. An example of this would be exact to this edit dispute...

https: //youtu.be/G-DUSM-hUk8?si=I39G0yLQMaTL2m08

This video being from Sep 14, 2023 and from the Somaliland National Television (SLNTV) (YouTube page). Which is verified. However my counterparts edits are mainly from bias websites that clearly have a bad view point towards other countries like South Sudan, Ethiopia, Kenya, and Somaliland. In addition to some of those sources agreed upon as a Tabloid. Binglebarry (talk) 07:24, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

It is natural that Somaliland's national broadcaster would report in favor of Somaliland. You need a source that has nothing to do with Somaliland. Freetrashbox (talk) 11:51, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Wether or not A somaliland Government page would be more trusted than a phony website that has most or almost all its articles written against somalilands agenda or views. Without given proof or evidence. Such as Garowe online and the likes of it. And no the title of this talk is not true whatsoever. "Changing pages real information is Vandalism" is an incorrect statement as Wikipedia itself allows information to be changed and fixed due to dead links and or false statements made by the prior editor. Thats really the reason of editing. I suggest you to read the Wikipedia:Administrators' guide/Protecting Binglebarry (talk) 16:09, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Even if by the U.S. or U.K. governments, information about their own interests should not be treated as a neutral source. Freetrashbox (talk) 23:24, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

I never asked about the "U.S. or U.K. governments". They are not relevant in this case nor will they be. Binglebarry (talk) 03:56, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

For the same reason, the Somaliland border issue as described by the Somaliland government is not neutral. Freetrashbox (talk) 11:46, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I thought it was a common consensus that Puntland currently administers the Maakhir region(which includes Las-Qoray) as their own. With Puntland military bases stationed there? Are there any Somaliland bases that can rebuke this?

The Somaliland Government lays claim to Buhoodle but has no effective administration there. The same goes for the Maakhir region which is currently disputed. Replayerr (talk) 13:52, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@Replayerr: I saw your edit. Both the horseedmedia and idilnews you indicated are about Badhan. Since this is Las Khorey's page, you need to cite a source about Las Khorey. Freetrashbox (talk) 12:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Las Qoray is on the northern coast of Puntland [2]https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Piracy_in_Somalia/KlR-DwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=puntland+las+qoray&pg=PA168&printsec=frontcover Replayerr (talk) 14:37, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Nope, The Somaliland government currently has an administration in Las Qorey. The Somaliland government also conducts regular checks to the city. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tX54UztfoY Binglebarry (talk) 23:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

SLNTV is a biased media owned by the Somaliland State Government. If we use the logic of that building a supposed dirt road to the town is enough to claim to administer the region. You are mistaken.

Puntland built a road to Erigavo(which is currently under the administration of Somaliland), does this mean they also administer the territory?[3]

According to Horseed Media, Puntland's army has routinely peformed operations on Laas Qoray's beach. Do you have any sources that show this for Somaliland? [4]Replayerr (talk) 11:25, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Binglebarry: @Replayerr: You seem to patronize different countries, but your editorial attitudes on Wikipedia are similar. Somaliland National TV and Puntland's Horseed Media are not that different in terms of reliability. Instead of looking for sources that fit your opinion, look for sources that mention Las Khorey and use the credible ones in your desctioption. Specifically, you have to search for sources that have nothing to do with either Puntland(Somalia) or Somaliland. If that is difficult, then find a source for each of Somaliland's and Puntland's positions and write both sides of the argument. Freetrashbox (talk) 11:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I have sent sources stating Las Qoray to be on Puntland's coastline.

The port-village on Puntland's north coast. [5]

The Puntland coast between Las-Qoray and Hafun [6] Replayerr (talk) 12:43, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Replayerr: Thanks for the source. I have added the BBC information to this and rewritten the summary section. Freetrashbox (talk) 23:03, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

1. If a government establishes an administration in a city where the people support that government, it would typically be considered a part of that country. The presence of an administration signifies governmental authority and control over the area. 2. Your claim on Somaliland National Television being biased is correct. However your arguments backed by your sources are also biased. In this instance you chose to use Horseed media, Which in this case is a very biased source. you can see that they are Puntland and Somalia by analyzing their diction and word choice when talking about Somaliland. The larger problem with Horseed Media is that it has zero evidence and sources to back its claims whatsoever. So using a biased and a potentially bogus source brings the question on why you are using them for an argument. 3. Your counter argument for me saying that the administration of Somaliland is inside of Las Qorey Was that when Putland supposedly was inside of Erigabo they built a road meaning there presence there. I think if a government has established an Administration in a city and is able to conduct projects of construction, this would mean that at that time it would be part of their country. However in this time put land does not control Somalilands territory, Erigabo. 4. From Hiiran online it states, “For instance, in 2019, al-Shabaab said it briefly occupied a village just outside the regional capital of Ceerigaabo. A year later, the group captured several other villages near the coastal city of Las Qoray. And in 2022, al-Shabaab conducted a suicide bombing just outside of Las Qoray. " This part of the article you are refering to does not say Somaliland does not control Las Qoray, it only says "but most of its activity is relegated to the eastern region of Sanaag, much of which is outside Hargeisa’s control." Where again in this source it says Eastern Sanaag but not mentioning nor refering to Las Qoray. Nontheless this source has no proofs or evidences to back up their claims making it unreliable Binglebarry (talk) 22:45, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Las Kohrey people do not support Somaliland. This is evidenced by the fact that the town did not participate in the Somaliland elections. Freetrashbox (talk) 08:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

My mistake on the elections, however that doesn't technically prove much as still the locals work with the Government of Somaliland according to later sources. Binglebarry (talk) 00:14, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

The YouTube video by Somaliland National TV that you show is not evidence because it is a unilateral assertion by a party to the dispute. I am leaving your statement only because I support the policy of WP:POV that even minority opinions should not be erased. You must now present the source(s) of information that has nothing to do with the Somaliland government or Somaliland-based mass media. Freetrashbox (talk) 11:17, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

@Binglebarry: I regret that you have not responded to the discussion and are still participating in the editorial battle. Freetrashbox (talk) 21:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Wether my information is biased or not it is still evidence that proves what I claim. I am quite confused on why you think it's likely for a non biased trusted news article or news outlet to report on a very small town in the middle of nowhere with less than 3000 people. Including the fact that it doesn't have a significant effect on Somalia or Somaliland. On the contrary, how about you, at least find me, a trusted news source that at bothers to present any kind of evidence and or proofs for once? All of the sources that were presented towards me have 0 proofs or evidence. They only include quotes from 'who knows where' and random writers that seem to not exist. Binglebarry (talk) 19:54, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

What you should do if you cannot find reliable sources is, not to write using unreliable sources, but to write nothing until you find reliable sources. If, as you claim, the Somaliland government has taken control of all the coast of the former British Somaliland up to El Ayo, that is very good news for Somaliland. There are many mass media outlets in Somaliland and they will surely report on it. The fact that the only source reporting this is YouTube shows that your description is not reliable at this time. Freetrashbox (talk) 12:13, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@Binglebarryyou are always writing fake news with based on your likes/dislikes without reliable source you are just here to write name of "Somaliland" just to appear Wikipedia. Wikipedia must take action about you to protect information your are deleting without any reliable evidence. Muscab30 (talk) 23:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Last time I checked you called my sources bias and now you are choosing to change your language calling "not reliable" while my sources actually have evidences and proofs? My evidences even show the fact that Somaliland officials are even based in Las Qorey while yours show nothing but "he said she said". I don't know why you keep replying as if you have anything to say anymore. My evidences have shown to be better than your "reliable sources" that you present. Either, way you are going to have to find later proofs for your claims otherwise, your edits would be considered as inconsistent, false, and vandalism as many of you guys blamed on me. Binglebarry (talk) 00:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Reliability and neutrality are closely related. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Freetrashbox (talk) 11:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)