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History

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I have created a new entry for Hendon's history - it seemed to fit better - and I've put in some links. Hugh Petrie

Right Places

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Golders Green, Edgware, etc. are places in Hendon. It's like saying that Manhattan is a part of New York. Lets keep them where they belong.

Edgware is not in Hendon, it is a separate place which is in the boroughs of Harrow and Barnet. While it has previously been in administrative areas with Middlesex or Hendon in the title, it has never been part of the place which is Hendon. This is in true in the same sence as Edgware is not part of the town named Barnet/High Barnet/Chipping Barnet. 137.222.221.195 (talk) 21:31, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong places

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Golders Green, Edgware, etc. are not places in Hendon. It's like saying that Manhattan is a part of Brooklyn. Lets take them out. CoolGuy 22:00, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

More info on places

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Hi Cool,

I can call you by your first name I trust, and I hope you will feel free to recipricate? Childs Hill and Golders Green are to Hendon, what Brooklyn and Manhattan are to New York. You are confusing a railway station with a district, its as if to say that JFK is the centre of New York. But it is understandable given that much of the way people structure place is based on post codes (I believe "zip" code in the USA) and railway stations. I understand what you are trying to say, its just not the case here in Hendon.

Clitterhouse is very much a place (although for a very long time it was called Brent after the station. Since a least the 19th Century it was called sometimes Brent Cross, and recently it has sometimes called Cricklewood (although that is not correct). Its centre is Clitterhouse Farm, home of Hendon FC for a long time. I will of course put back the Burroughs (also called the Burrows) as anyone who has lived in the district for any period of time will be looking for it. These are not simply "hooks" to "hang" articles.

As a Finchley man, and to be absolutley clear on the matter, I have just double checked this with a senior resident of Colindale(Hendon)and Clitterhouse is very definatly Hendon, as is Golders Green and so on.

I'm still struggling with the how wiki is formatted, and understand that there may be elements that don't work very well, and I hope you will understand that this is not easy for me as a dslexic.

Again thank you, always good to have imput.

Hugh


You have been contributing long enough - you should know by now that <br> is not needed when forming lists!

From the Hendon page I have taken out Boroughs which was a stupid link. But I have left the red links.

Clitterhouse (which sounds anatomical!) does not appear on maps but has been used an hook on which to hang a good article. I suspect it is by User:Hugh Petrie though for some reason he did not sign in. Possibly some of the other unlikely names are actually for articles he is planning to write.

In the same way, I do not recognise Coombe as a place name in Croydon - as the name of some roads but not as a place name. Then I read the excellent article for which it had been used as an hook and found that have been living in Coombe for the last thirty years!

Any reply here, I shall be watching. RHaworth 11:07, 2005 Feb 25 (UTC)

Lets discuss on the Hendon page. I'm not the one that's been adding these place names--you seem to know more than I do about them. CoolGuy 21:58, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Maps might help

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To assist with arguments over right and wrong places, it might be an idea to provide a map of the 8000+ acre parish of Hendon and the former Borough of Hendon (if that was different). To help confuse the issue, here are two maps of the Parliamentary Constituency of Hendon:

File:Hendon const outline.gif
Outline. Image produced from the Ordnance Survey Election Map service. Image reproduced with kind permission of Ordnance Survey.
File:Hendon const wards.png
Wards. Image produced from the Ordnance Survey Election Map service. Image reproduced with kind permission of Ordnance Survey.


Note that Clitterhouse and Childs Hill are both outside the constituency - I think they are on Glenda Jackson's patch. -- RHaworth 10:57, 2005 Mar 2 (UTC)

Plans for LB Barnet articles

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Hopefully when I have finished, all 56 of these articles covering the Barnet area will be online in this way, and linked from the council web site, rather than having the articles on the website itself. In this way I hope that we will have a more organic presence than that of many other councils' history sites. Organic in as much as people will feel free to add to the page, and copy the same for their own uses without fear of copyright (although the material is copyrighted it is only in order that others cannot "counter" copyright it).

Reasons:

  1. Easy to access (wwwBarnet has a tendency to take a nose dive every so often - and who knows what it will become over the next ten years - wwwwiki is hopefully an imortal website which can always be linked to).
  2. Every time I want to put a page onto wwwbarnet I have to go through "Press and PR" and IT, and the question about what we are going to put onto the website has been going on for four years now.
  3. That allows non council people to feed back and contribute - there are a large number of subjects which we know very little about, for example Hendon Stadium. In this I am glad to say I have been vindicated. People have wikified and contributed bits and its done much more than I had hoped.
  4. That isn't in copyright - this is an odd one, but actually if it is our copyright we have to defend it. On wwwwiki its free to everybody, and we don't have to defend a copyright.
  5. To promote an accurate collection of information about the borough and objects within the borough, you'd be surprised by the amount of nonsence that's out there.
  6. Last but not least to have an organic approach to it all - I make mistakes (see point 5), and this allows for correction, new links on, and to changes to address of other organisations, etc. (see point 2).

-- Hugh Petrie 2005 Feb 26 09:52

Notable People

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Picture in Hendon article

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Do you like the amendments to one time The Midland Arms? - I have been tempted to move it to a link like Hendon Brewery (which by the way was a test peice), but it is important to respect other peoples contributions. -- Hugh Petrie 2005 Feb 28 09:21

  • Absolutely super addition. I hate people who change pub names (see Talk:The Adventure of the Yellow Face when that ceases to be a red link!) so I am glad you pointed out the name change. Suggest we leave the picture where it is. If someone comes up with a better pic for Hendon, then we can move the pub pic to Hendon Brewery. -- RHaworth 04:13, 2005 Mar 2 (UTC)

Category:Barnet

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I felt a bit guilty that the only sub-categories of Category:Districts of London were Croydon and Bromley. So I have created Category:Barnet. -- RHaworth 10:53, 2005 Mar 2 (UTC)

I don't know much about London geography, but as a general principle a page that is in a sub-category does not also need to be listed in the parent. - SimonP 14:45, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

History articles for Barnet

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These were a terrible mess with lots overlap, duplicated articles etc. Each "History of..." article should now directly relate to a district page:

The articles about formal parishes/districts should be named as such - otherwise it is consfusing to the reader as the parish/urban district/municipal boroughs usually covered a greater area than the town they were named after. These articles take the form of the name and status when it was abolished in 1965:

Redirects can be created for example from Hendon Urban District and the changing status shown in the article. As all these districts are historical anyway the articles do not need to be called "History of..." Please follow these naming conventions. MRSC 10:43, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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