Talk:Feelie

Brave New World

Someone should write something about Brave New World, because they have "Feelies" in that book...

Since you seem to know about it, why don't you? Be bold! It should go under a new section, though.

Also, sign your posts. You can do this win 3 or 4 tildes (~~~ or ~~~~). The latter is usually preferred, though, since it also adds a timestamp. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:47, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

I just went ahead and added the BNW reference. And no, that wasn't me with the initial post.--216.165.62.139 13:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Too many feelies

An anonymous user came along and added the feelies for numerous games. I reverted them for a very good reason: those feelies are already listed in those game's articles. The intent of the list was to give a idea for what kind of feelies Infocom included in their games, and the list as it was already did that. Adding more didn't add much, since those feelies are already listed elsewhere.

I'll double-check the feelies the user added, but I'm sure that they just lifted the content from the other articles. If that info isn't in those articles, I'll add it.

If someone wants to add them back in, let's discuss it here first. Peace. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 18:27, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

My bad. I wasn't sure what the protocol was, so I was trying to be all-inclusive. Sorry for that. I was assuming that this was trying to be a definitive article.

Maybe we should, however, add a list of the games that included feelies? Though they were in most Infocom games, they weren't in all, and I think that this is significant enough information to warrant its inclusion in an encyclopaedic entry.

216.158.31.195 16:12, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Nearly every game released by Infocom featured at least one feelie. I'd think it would be easier (and more notable) to list the ones that didn't have any. Each game's article does list all feelies included with that release. -DynSkeet (talk) 20:17, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

I agree with DynSkeet. Though not all games included feelies—especially repackaged collections released by Activision, most did. So a list of games that didn't include feelies might be easier and more manageable. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 20:20, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

Feelie as a general term

Isn't feelie still generally used in the industry and among gamers and collectors to refer to extras in general, such as maps (Neverwinter Nights' cloth map for example), coins (Collector's Ed of Oblivion), etc? Or is it solely an Infocom thing? I've seen it used more generally. Perhaps this should be added to the article? I'll wait for replies and comments before acting on this. --Lendorien 21:02, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

In no way are my experiences definitive, but until I'd started looking into TLTOI, I'd never heard of "feelies" in reference to any other gaming. — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 21:12, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure that Infocom ever officially referred to its "extras" as feelies. I believe I first heard the term on ifMUD within the last six or seven years. DynSkeet | (talk)

I've seen the term used in reference to the Ultima series too. I know that Ultima 6 had some including a cloth map and a stone. Maybe it's a collector term? I did a couple google searches, and I've seen it used in reviews of other games, though oft used with quotation marks in the following way: The game comes with a some "feelies" to delight the gamer. --Lendorien 18:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

what's included in this article

If we list every single game that had something included, the article would be insanely long. And that information is listed in the various game articles already. They aren't called "feelies" though. Dream Focus 14:06, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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Badge from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

• ... that feelies (example pictured) have been used for everything from copy protection to sexual roleplay?

• Source: copy protection: Rosenberg, Adam (18 February 2013). "Discussing the Emergent Silliness and Enduring Excellence of Infocom with Founder and Gaming Legend, Dave Lebling". Digital Trends. Archived from the original on 18 July 2013. Retrieved 19 October 2024.; erotic roleplay (potentially NSFW image at the relevant paragraph) Peters, Ian M. (2014). "Peril-Sensitive Sunglasses, Superheroes in Miniature, and Pink Polka-dot Boxers: Artifact and Collectible Video Game Feelies, Play, and the Paratextual Gaming Experience". Transformative Works and Cultures. 16. doi:10.3983/twc.2014.0509.

• ALT1: ... that the feelies shipped with The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy included a pin (pictured), a cotton ball, and a microscopic space fleet, but no tea? Source: Peters, Ian M. (2014). "Peril-Sensitive Sunglasses, Superheroes in Miniature, and Pink Polka-dot Boxers: Artifact and Collectible Video Game Feelies, Play, and the Paratextual Gaming Experience". Transformative Works and Cultures. 16. doi:10.3983/twc.2014.0509.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Qian Jin Bao
• Comment: Note that this was a redirect from 2016 through today. Even then, this would count as a 5x expansion over what existed before the article was turned into a redirect.

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 693 past nominations.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:17, 20 October 2024 (UTC).

• Looks good to me. Expansion is fine (this has nothing in common with the earlier collection of unverified trivia), the first hook is verified, I don't see any plagiarism, paragraphs are sourced, the image is properly licensed, etc. I like the first hook best. Drmies (talk) 01:25, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 20 October 2024

Feelie → Feelie (video games) – There is no clear primary topic between this and Feelie (Brave New World), upon which the name for this type of object was based. Full disclosure: I wrote the latter article just now, due to my suspicion that a notable topic had been usurped by this particular article, and indeed I discovered one. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's primary, though it might be, but putting a disambiguation page at the primary namespace is probably easier to agree on. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 17:04, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - The video game meaning of "feelie" has been identified as the primary subject since 2004 (as "feelies"), when the first version of this article was created by Frecklefoot. Savidan moved the article to the singular "feelie" on 8 August 2006. The article remained about the video game topic until it was turned into a redirect by Czar on 15 April 2016. That redirect pointed to Infocom, and remained as such until 20 October 2024, when I moved my draft to article space and performed a history merge. Consequently, no usurpation as defined by WP:UPT took place.

I mention this history because the fact that the video game definition has been used consistently for twenty years speaks strongly to the likelihood that it is the primary topic. Referring to WP:DPT, "being the original source of the name is also not determinative". Unfortunately, I am not able to figure out how to use Ngrams to see which definition is the most common.

That being said, I think it's excellent that we now have an article on Huxley's feelies.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Redirects in general are obscure to the general reader, few bother to mess with them. I don't think it's really indicative of anything.

At the very least, I suggest that this move be carried out to give the articles a chance to be on equal footing. If the video game article still gets tremendously more views I am more than supportive of moving it back. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:41, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• I agree that redirects are generally not known to readers. Even excluding the eight years as a redirect, there are twelve years as primary topic to refer to.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:44, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose – This is a hard one. I love Brave New World and the Infocom-style objects were definitely named after it. A source review is quite difficult to do here, as we simply have two separate types of sources talking about two mostly-separate subjects. I have personally never been convinced at the significance of "feelies" in Brave New World, but I know that doesn't matter. For me, I think it comes down to that I think a physical object that could be used in products today is significantly more relevant to most readers than a fictional concept used in a single book from the 1930s. I feel like a hatnote suffices. Nice work on the article tho ^_^ ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:26, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

  Physical objects being included with modern games today is decidedly niche - pretty much only with expensive special editions. It was at its height in the 80s/90s. Meanwhile, Brave New World is still getting adaptations like a 2020 TV show. I'm not sure if "it's just a book from the 1930s" really sums things up here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:37, 25 October 2024 (UTC)