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On 12 July 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Pennsylvania Station (Newark) to Newark Penn Station. The result of the discussion was moved.

Cost

Is the $42 million consruction figure in current dollars or those of the time of construction? - Masspete

At the time of construction. The figure was for the station and related projects though - I've added info about that. --SPUI (talk) 06:39, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Merge with Newark (PATH station)

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Shouldn't this article include all the information presently on the Newark (PATH station) article? Having two different articles on the same railroad station creates confusion. Someone wanting to look at all the connections he can make, should be able to go to one article to find them all. --Temlakos 18:25, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would recommend not merging the articles. Even though the PATH platform is located in close proximity to the NJT/Amtrak platforms, PATH is still a separate rail service. Look at Hoboken Terminal and Hoboken (PATH station): same station but separate articles. Same with Pennsylvania Station (New York City), and World Trade Center (PATH station). Wl219 21:59, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unlike the Hoboken PATH station (not sure why you mentioned Penn/WTC, since they're extremely different; Penn/33rd are much closer but still distinct), at Newark, the PATH platforms are very much a part of the station. At Hoboken, the PATH station is entirely below the NJT rail terminal; the only connections are the stairs, and it's entirely possible to enter and exit the PATH station without setting foot in the rail terminal. At Newark, however, PATH's station is not at all distinct from the Amtrak/NJT station. The normal track for PATH arrivals (track H) is above the other Penn Station tracks, but you can't get to the street without going through Penn. The departure track (platforms B/C) is even more connected—only the turnstiles/fence seperate the PATH side from the Amtrak/NJT side. The physical platform is shared between both. —LrdChaos 20:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

By the same token, one could argue that NJT and Amtrak at Newark ought be in different articles. After all, wouldn't PATH share tracks with them if it weren't for them being incompatible? To say they should be separate articles because they are two different services does not make sense. They are housed in the same building. The 33rd street station is some distance apart from NY Penn; the WTC is a complex of buildings, not a single building. One building, one article. Nu? REwhite 23:19, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I support a merger. The PATH station is an integral part of Newark Penn. --CComMack 09:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge. The station serves several rail services, but it is one station. There is no separate PATH station. Bob schwartz 01:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. While it's fine to include more mention about PATH service in Pennsylvania Station (Newark), a separate article should exist for just the PATH station for matter of consistency. I tried combining the two [1], and it breaks the consistent style used for all PATH station articles by having the infobox toward the bottom. -Aude (talk contribs) 05:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think we're talking past each other. I refer you to this image currently included in the Newark Penn article. The tracks and platforms for PATH are parallel (and in the case of one platform, shared) with the tracks and platforms of the NJT/Amtrak (ex-PRR) station. It is almost meaningless to speak of "just the PATH station" as an entity. Yes, merging the articles results in inconsistencies in layout with the other PATH stations, but it's not the end of the world. --CComMack 10:24, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support It's one building. The trackage is separate/semi-separate because the power transmission to the trains is different (caternaries vs. 3rd rail). It's still one building. Heck! There're even cross-platform transfers! REwhite 23:22, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Second proposal of a merge

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I am proposing merging the articles as mentioned prior into one, as they are physically part of the same station complex. --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 08:24, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merged. WAS 4.250 (talk) 11:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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How do they turn the PATH trains?

Can someone expand on this? Does the arrivals track lead to a yard, which has a return track to Newark Penn? DarkStarHarry (talk) 00:47, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not exactly sure, but I know a lot of trains have cab cars/engines on both ends of the train for so you don't have the issue of having to turn the train around. For example, trains like the Acela Express have engines on both ends. When they reach their terminals either in Washington, DC or Boston, they simply use the engine on the other end of the train for reverse service. I'm not certain if PATH operates this way but it seems obvious that it would. It saves time. Murjax (talk) 03:39, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

World Trade Center is the only turn around station. All others, the motorman walks to the other end of the train and starts up. At Newark they run the train west out of the station, then walk to the other end, then run the train back east into the station. Hob and 33, it's done at the platform. Jim.henderson (talk) 06:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Error in track diagram

Anyone know how to change the track diagram? Tracks 1 and A don't split south/west of the station (toward the bottom of the diagram); instead track 2 splits just above the bottom of the diagram into station track 2 and station track 1, with the track that was track 1 south/west of the station becoming track A. Tim Zukas (talk) 17:06, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Pennsylvania Station (New York City) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 23:30, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Commons images needed

Does everybody know what types of images are needed in the commons? Some Amtrak trains. Sure, we all know this was an old Pennsylvania Railroad station, but that was when the place was built. Amtrak trains are needed for the commons gallery now, and if you can get them some New Jersey Transit regional railroad trains as well. ----DanTD (talk) 04:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Should this be renamed to "Newark Penn Station"?

Hello, I was wondering if we should move this to "Newark Penn Station", as the signs say it and on the on-board train announcements. MrTrains227 (talk) 22:53, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your argument, but this title matches the other Pennsylvania Stations around the U.S. List can be found here. –Daybeers (talk) 07:19, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Line(s): just NEC?

Should other lines be listed in the sidebar section besides the Northeast Corridor? Other lines would certainly include the Raritan Valley Line and North Jersey Coast Line. Perhaps even PATH Newark-WTC, Newark City Subway, and Newark Light Rail deserved to be listed as well. Saxshoe (talk) 21:55, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To answer this a couple of years later, the "Line" parameter is for the physical line, while those others are listed under "services". oknazevad (talk) 21:29, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 July 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) WPscatter ^t/_c 06:01, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pennsylvania Station (Newark) → Newark Penn Station – "Newark Penn Station" provides a natural disambiguation that is also a common name and the official name of the station. My understanding is that the station in Newark is also rarely simply called "Pennsylvania Station" as a result of its proximity to Penn Station in New York. In fact, looking at the sources here, I don't think any of them call the station "Pennsylvania Station". On the talk page there is one person arguing WP:CONSISTENT, but that doesn't make sense given the existence of Baltimore Penn Station and is a very weak argument regardless. :3 F4U (they /it) 03:19, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Listed at: WT:WikiProject New Jersey and WT:WikiProject Trains. :3 F4U (they /it) 22:00, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Not only is it used in common speech, it's used by the local press. And it's what's written on schedules by NJ Transit, the station's owner. And is on the building itself! Clearly WP:COMMONNAME oknazevad (talk) 23:45, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. This renaming makes sense and I am in agreement with the reasons above. OpenStreetMap has called this Newark Penn Station since 2014. 03:09, 13 July 2023 (UTC) OpenSourceAdvocate56 (talk) 03:09, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Everyone (riders, NJT, the press) calls it Newark Penn Station.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 13:35, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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