Talk:Stephen Schneider (scientist)

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Appearance on In Search Of.

Stephen Schneider appeared on an episode of "In Search Of" where he discussed the next ice age. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.122.202.130 (talk) 22:41, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Restore: why

I've restored some of the early stuff. It is constantly being referred to, so having a correct version available is good William M. Connolley (talk) 12:01, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Former denialist

Shouldn't Schneider's notorious past as a global warming denialist be mentioned in the lede? Kauffner (talk) 10:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He doesn't sound like a denier in this 30 year old video Wikispan (talk) 11:08, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

People trying to frame Schneider as a former "denialist" do exist. They usually cite a 1971 paper, Rasool and Schneider, in which he and his co-auther contrasted the cooling effect of aerosols with the warming effect of carbon dioxide, based on what was known about both at the time. He was a scientist, and changed his assessment as the scientific evidence accrued and clean fuel technology minimized the predicted aerosol problem. See the discussion of the relevant paper in global cooling. --TS 14:52, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So he wasn't somebody who denied the science at all. He was just trying to assemble a jigsaw, looking at the various pieces several different ways. As time moved forward, and more pieces slotted together, his position changed accordingly. All perfectly sensible. Wikispan (talk) 16:01, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also, what's a "denialist?" Is that something like a "round-earthist" or an "evolutionist?" I can't keep up with all the new religious terms. Is this like a "former heretic?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.61.156.96 (talk) 00:55, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's someone who denies that the increasing rate of CO2 production is a serious problem. --Vaughan Pratt (talk) 04:42, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This "denialist" rubbish is just that, rubbish. Denialist should NOT be a term used, as it is an intended smear, and the fact that it's now used on Schneider shows how corrosive it is. The global temperature cooled from the end of World War 2 to the '70's, that is attested, and there were numerious "warnings" about how severe winters in North America etc were "signs" of an approaching, and unavoidable ice age! Possible warming WAS mooted (and had been since the time of Arrhenius), but the ice age was the coming catastrophy of the 1970's (apart from running out of oil). This is not some "lie" made up by the Heartland Institute as some ignoramouses with a political barrow to push love to assert, but was the "consensus" of the time. It was based upon empirical evidence, and upon the geological record of the glacial/interglacial cycle since the start of the Pleistocene - only some asserted it was down to aerosols and sulphates, others claimed it was the natural end of the interglacial. Pretending that there was no expectation of a cooling trend, possibly leading to the end of the interglacial - now that's REAL denialism! My issue with Schneider isn't that he once believed there was a cooling trend (there actually was), or that he speculated that this could be at least akin to the little ice age, but that when he changed to become one of the leading advocates for action against global warming at the end of the '80's he tried to downplay his earlier advocacy for global cooling. Changing ones mind on the basis of new data is what science is supposed to be about. Pretending you didn't, isn't. And can we stop the "denialism" smear? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.39.162.130 (talk) 15:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Climate deniers found it convenient to recruit the late Roger Revelle to their cause by twisting what he said. They would appear to be pulling the same stunt with my fellow Stanford faculty member Stephen Schneider, who could not possibly have been more outspoken about the harm climate deniers were doing. This could be compared to proponents of hate politics recruiting the late Jesus of Nazareth to their cause in the years following Jesus's crucifixion, had this sort of distortion been in vogue back then. --Vaughan Pratt (talk) 04:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikispan, you didn't go back far enough. You are correct that by 1980 Schneider was a global warming alarmist. But in the early 1970s he was a global cooling alarmist. The late John Daly (whose untimely death Phil Jones infamously called "cheering") documented many examples.[1]

Vaughan et al, please be careful not to engage in insults or name-calling, like calling those who disagree with you "denialists" or "deniers" (a reference to Holocaust denial). It is forbidden by Wikipedia policy, and doing so in reply to 212.39.162.130's comment which points out that it's a smear makes doing so particularly egregious. NCdave (talk) 13:49, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto "alarmist" which is as much of a smear. RTFA, which explains how Schneider with Rasool in 1971 reported the evidence of their calculations suggesting cooling would predominate, then found a miscalculation and in 1974 published a retraction of his earlier findings. That's science, developing and refining analysis. John Lawrence Daly evidently objected to the science without himself being a scientist. Not a good source. . . dave souza, talk 19:44, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Posthumous book

Schneider coauthored a book that will be published this fall by MIT Press. Should it be included on the page? http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=12333 76.119.237.37 (talk) 16:05, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Added to the selected publications section. NW (Talk) 04:36, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Obituary: Stephen Henry Schneider

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v466/n7309/full/466933a.html William M. Connolley (talk) 17:45, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Add as external link? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.232.214.10 (talk) 09:50, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

http://dx.doi.org/10.1063/1.3541953 -Atmoz (talk) 00:49, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not a Nobel Prize Winner

The article says Schneider won the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize. That is not correct. That year's prize was shared by Al Gore and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). See http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2007/. Individual members of the IPCC are not Nobel laureates, just like individuals who served with UNICEF and the Red Cross. Each Nobel Prize can be awarded to no more than three winners per year, but the IPCC had perhaps hundreds of members and staff.

I will delay in removing this information for a few days to see if anyone offers a persuasive counterargument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.160.106.224 (talk) 18:26, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer Note

There are three people with this name. The actor is viewed almost ten times as often as the climate scientist/ Rather than change which is primary, I will be boldly making Stephen Schneider (disambiguation) primary. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:33, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]