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Museum Governance and Executive Pay?
[edit]Why is there no section on the decision making authorities at the museum and what their compensation is?
Perhaps how often they work and their expense claims too. This should all be public record. I'd love to hear who decided to pay how much for the "Blight on Bloor" as well as where all the Planetarium money went.
http://www.rom.on.ca/en/support-us/about-the-rom-governors/leadership/susan-horvath— Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.12.11.152 (talk • contribs)
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Reviewer: Anne drew Andrew and Drew (talk · contribs) 16:00, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- Well written
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It is one of the largest museums in North America and the largest in Canada.
- This information is not in the articles body and is not sourced. It is also unclear what "largest" means here; does it mean the museum's footprint, square-footage, collection size, or something else? If possible, I think it would be useful to say what rank it is among the largest museums in North America.
- The lead does a decent job of summarizing the History and Galleries sections of the article, but it should also summarize the Buildings and architecture section.
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...to display the strength and weaknesses of the collections and strongly reflect the French and British cultural heritage of Canada
- Is "strongly" necessary here?
- Now this has been rephrased to
The displays are split up into sections to display the strength and weaknesses of the collections reflect the French and British cultural heritage of Canada
, but honestly I'm still not sure what this is meant to mean – Anne drew 23:48, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
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The displays became more descriptive and interpretive...This trend continued and up until the present time...This trend arguably came to a culmination in the 1980s with the opening of The Bat Cave
- This is interesting information, but we need a source to back up our claim that ROM exhibits are becoming more descriptive and interpretive.
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- Comment: Nice article, but there are a few issues that need to be addressed before it is promoted to GA. In particular, the citations need some work. If you have any questions, feel free to leave them on this page. – Anne drew 14:36, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
- Pass/Fail: Fail. The article is pretty close but there are a few outstanding issues. This GA assessment has been going on for a long time so I have to fail it for now. Please address the issues here and renominate when you think the article passes all of the Good Article Criteria. Thank you for contributing! – Anne drew 17:24, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Threaded discussion
[edit]Feel free to respond to specific points above, or you can leave longer replies here. – Anne drew 17:42, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- Sorta noticed this wasn't getting worked on in the past few days, so I fixed the corrections pointed out so far except for the sentence,
took the form of layered volumes, each rising layer stepping back from
, as I'm not sure whats actually being described here. Haven't worked on the citations though, but I can get around to it at a later point.
- Also, as opposed to rewording the
birth of Western art
and the first prose on Korean buddhism, I just opted to remove them entirely (the former is contentious without further contextualization on what that means; for the latter... not wrong, but seems rather tangential considering the topic is the museum's collection... which could also be said for the Western Art thingy). Leventio (talk) 21:35, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
- A few years ago, I believe that a ROM intern (MJMcGowan) substantially expanded the article, albeit with some formatting and style issues. I have corrected some of these issues and she was thankful. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:35, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Updated the following dead links (most were just caused by the ROM randomly making page moves)/no citations, so I think we should be up to date with the review for the most part. However, I wasn't able to fix up the five proses including; "
The campaign aimed not only to raise annual visitor attendance from 750,000 to between 1.3 and 1.6 milli...
", "The overall aim of The Crystal is to provide openness and acc...
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", "In September 2009, the gallery received an Award of Excellence by...
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- Updated the following dead links (most were just caused by the ROM randomly making page moves)/no citations, so I think we should be up to date with the review for the most part. However, I wasn't able to fix up the five proses including; "
- Couldn't find sources for the first four (I mean, I assume for the most part their true, although cursory Googling brought me nothing). As for the last highlighted prose... I don't really know where to begin without reading an actual book on exhibit developments or the museum. I'd be in favour of removing those proses if they become an issue to this GAN. Leventio (talk) 13:52, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
- I agree. Those proses sound a little promotional (especially if sourced to ROM documents). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:31, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- Couldn't find sources for the first four (I mean, I assume for the most part their true, although cursory Googling brought me nothing). As for the last highlighted prose... I don't really know where to begin without reading an actual book on exhibit developments or the museum. I'd be in favour of removing those proses if they become an issue to this GAN. Leventio (talk) 13:52, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
- Leventio and Johnny Au, nice job! The article is nearly there, just a few more minor issues left to be resolved. I'll see if I can find sources for the remaining sentences that need citations. – Anne drew 23:48, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you so much, Anne drew Andrew and Drew! Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:45, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
- No prob! I went ahead and removed this sentence:
The overall aim of The Crystal is to provide openness and accessibility, seeking to blur the lines between the threshold linking the public area of the street and the more private area of the museum
. I couldn't find a source and honestly it sounds kinda promotional. I also moved the "Offsite storage" section to make it a subsection "Buildings and architecture"—let me know if you disagree with this change. – Anne drew 20:03, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
- No prob! I went ahead and removed this sentence:
- Thank you so much, Anne drew Andrew and Drew! Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:45, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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Missing First Peoples Gallery!
[edit]The ROM's First People's Gallery is a permanent exhibit on the first floor of the ROM that opened in 2005. From this article, one would assume that First Nations has no independent gallery, but rather is only represented in an exhibit that includes Africa, The Americas, South Asia and South Pacific! I published an article about the First Peoples gallery, so I know there are reliable sources out there. Obviously, I can't cite my own article, otherwise I would fix this issue. The under and mis representation of all four of these non-Western regions exacerbates the imbalance of representation on Wikipedia, and misrepresents the ROM's active policies surrounding collaboration, consultation and representation of Canada's First Peoples. I hope someone unrelated to me can address these issues!
On a related note, I've noticed that several of the articles on Natural History museums include extensive descriptions of "galleries," which may or may not actually be permanent. Galleries are often named after sponsors who have nothing to do with the content of the permanent or temporary exhibits within them. Is the aim of this article organization to capture the view the public will see when visiting? If so, it will constantly need updating. Would it be more useful, or a useful addition, to include descriptions of the collections within their curatorial divisions? This would help researchers identify significant materials, as well as present a more accurate and permanent picture of any museum's overall holdings. Coryannyyz (talk) 19:20, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- The article states "The Daphne Cockwell Gallery of Canada: First Peoples provides a look inside the culture of Canada's earliest societies: the Aboriginal Peoples of Canada. The gallery contains more than 1,000 artifacts that help to reveal the economic and social forces that have influenced Native art." It's not in any way connected to Africa, Americans, South Asia or South Pacific, it's under Canadian and not mentioned in any way in the section you referred to. Canterbury Tail talk 19:27, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Coryannyyz: You've made less than 10 edits to Wikipedia, and already you're incorrectly criticizing the hard work of the volunteers who wrote this article. Don't like the article? Please read WP:CTW and then try to improve it. And if you already "know there are reliable sources out there", then easy peasy. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:14, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Canterbury Tail Thank you for your feedback! Overall I think this is a very good article and I do appreciate all the work that Wikipedians do to ensure the quality of information available on the platform. Indeed, it seems that due to a responsive view issue the "Canada" heading was not visible at the time when I read the ROM article, and therefore, I had overlooked that small section. I appreciate your pointing this out to me, as it will help me to employ extra caution in reading and responding to Wikipedia articles in future. As @Magnolia677 points out, I am new to Wikipedia and am not yet familiar with all of its functions and protocols. I think the section on the Daphne Cockwell Gallery could be improved, but I will abstain for the time being since, as I pointed out, I might have a conflict of interest with the sources I could use. In the meantime, I am studying the guidelines for museum articles to bring my expectations in line with the actual framework used by Wikipedians for museum articles. Thank you both! Coryannyyz (talk) 20:21, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks and happy editing! Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:15, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
- I've added a couple of more recent third-party references about the First Peoples Gallery. Pharos (talk) 20:34, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
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