Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mikko Välimäki (0th nomination)
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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was keep. —Korath (Talk) 01:55, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)
Vanity/non-notable/bloggercruft. 1800 Google hits. Delete. Grue 18:11, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Keep and expand. EFF Finland is a very notable organisation and if Välimäki is its co-founder, then he's also notable. There is more to him than just his blog, you know. — JIP | Talk 19:20, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- If something is notable, it's creator is not always notable enough to survive VfD (see there and there, off the top of my head). Besides, if EFF is so notable, where is the article about it? Grue 19:31, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Of your two examples, the first (Jick was deleted only because the claim that they created something notable came to late to survive a mountain of delete votes. The second one survived. Kappa 03:45, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- The second one got merged to one of the two notable things he did. Why should this article stand on its own? The most notable thing about him (he is not current chairman) is that his hobbies are running and forgot-what-else. Grue 05:53, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- The second one was "boldly" merged, not by consensus. I don't care very much if this article stands on its own or not, but it seems more convenient to have it separate. Kappa 07:48, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- The second one got merged to one of the two notable things he did. Why should this article stand on its own? The most notable thing about him (he is not current chairman) is that his hobbies are running and forgot-what-else. Grue 05:53, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Of your two examples, the first (Jick was deleted only because the claim that they created something notable came to late to survive a mountain of delete votes. The second one survived. Kappa 03:45, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Is Electronic Frontier Finland related in any way to the Electronic Frontier Foundation? Or do they just share similar names? android↔talk 19:42, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
- AFAIK Electronic Frontier Finland is a sub-organisation of Electronic Frontier Foundation. — JIP | Talk 05:26, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- If that's the case, I vote to Keep. android↔talk 05:45, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
- Why? Because he was a former chairman of sub-organisation of some organisation? Grue 05:53, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- IMO, it's been established that the three criteria you used for nomination don't apply. Doesn't appear to be vanity; notable enough in Finland and in the OSS community as the founder of an EFF branch; notable outside of just having a blog. By the way, your Google test is off; you didn't search for "Mikko Välimäki", did you? That's an additional 1,190 hits. android↔talk 06:03, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
- That's because Google Toolbar converts "ä" to "a", sorry for disinformation. Grue 06:21, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- IMO, it's been established that the three criteria you used for nomination don't apply. Doesn't appear to be vanity; notable enough in Finland and in the OSS community as the founder of an EFF branch; notable outside of just having a blog. By the way, your Google test is off; you didn't search for "Mikko Välimäki", did you? That's an additional 1,190 hits. android↔talk 06:03, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
- Why? Because he was a former chairman of sub-organisation of some organisation? Grue 05:53, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- If that's the case, I vote to Keep. android↔talk 05:45, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
- AFAIK Electronic Frontier Finland is a sub-organisation of Electronic Frontier Foundation. — JIP | Talk 05:26, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- If something is notable, it's creator is not always notable enough to survive VfD (see there and there, off the top of my head). Besides, if EFF is so notable, where is the article about it? Grue 19:31, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Keep creators of notable things Kappa 19:36, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Merge creators of famous projects onto that said projects, just like parents of famous people are generally merged onto said people. Radiant_* 09:03, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
- Does not meet the Wikipedia:Criteria for inclusion of biographies, merge back to the relevant project--nixie 09:55, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, he is heard and seen in Finnish media quite often, i think that makes him notable enough. bbx 01:57, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Nothing notable here. At best deserves a one sentence mention in a single section of Electronic Frontier Foundation. Gamaliel 02:01, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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