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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was keep. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 14:44, 6 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

1-san

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NO forummer/BBS user/etc. should EVER be thought worthy of their own page on WP, unless they are the handle for a notable person. Sorry. Master Thief Garrett 11:48, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete Agree with Garrett, and furthermore I'd say that on the rare occasion that a truly famous person does have a forum or chat account somewhere, that info (if noteworthy) should be added to the famous person's own article, not given an article itself. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:36, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete no need to apologize. CDC (talk) 13:53, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: Unsure. I don't think this article is about a particular person at all. My reading of it is that it is about a particular grammar, a way of referring to previous poster(s) to a thread, and I think we'd need someone active on Japanese BBSs to say whether this is encyclopedic. I guess in the absence of that we could argue from the silence that notability has not been established, but I notice the contributor does list Japanese as an interest. I found the article interesting and well written, if a little obscure. Hmmm. No vote as yet. Andrewa 15:05, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • That is true, but I think that the fact that this "forum character" isn't even supposed to represent a real person makes him/her/it less important than if it did, if anything. One thing I take into consideration when voting on forumcruft articles is this: Would this subject be recognisable or of research value to those not involved with the forum? For example, many famous memes started out on a message board somewhere, but are known to the rest of the world as well. Conversely, an article on "Admins on WienerBoy348's Local Dial-Up Chat BBS, 1987-1988" would be of interest only to those mentioned. Our current subject seems pretty much isolated to one forum, and thus probably not article-worthy. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:12, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)
      • Comment: Still unsure. I mainly wanted a reality check, as it seemed that the nominator hadn't understood the article at all, nobody seemed to have picked that up, and the only person involved yet who understands Japanese seems to be the contributor. We have an article on the forum in question, so perhaps merge and redirect is the way to go, but it's a lot of information to add. Hmmm. Still no vote. Andrewa 17:54, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • From what I've heard, 2ch in Japan is like AOL 5-10 years ago in the US. A LOT of people use it. --SPUI (talk) 20:53, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • I understand that ">>1-san" is not a particular person, but instead anyone who makes a "First Post!!!!!1111!!!!!oneoneone". Still, this is non-encyclopedic chatroomcruft. Delete. — JIP | Talk 11:45, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
        • Ar, no. On 2ch, the first post creates a thread. The "first post" thing is done on the second post, with a post saying 2 getto (2 get). Kusunose 05:29, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • This seems to be a stereotype of a clueless noob. Unless something else is brought up, I vote keep or merge with 2ch. --SPUI (talk) 15:46, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, not encyclopaedic, trivial. Megan1967 04:19, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. This article isn't about a specific person (and I'm not sure how it could be interpreted that way), it's about a common cartoon character found on the biggest BBS in Japan, and also found in several Flash cartoons. At least two guide books have been published (dead-tree, not merely e-published) on the 2ch cast of characters. This article was created to accompany Giko Cat and Mona (ASCII art), two other common 2ch characters, which have articles on the Japanese wikipedia as well. I wouldn't be averse to merging them all into an article on 2ch AA characters, but I think there'd be too much there to merge into the 2ch article itself (and List of 2ch Boards has already been broken out), and the interlanguage links would be lost. — Gwalla | Talk 07:06, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep per Gwalla, and 1,820 google image hits for 1-san's friend Mona. (1-san doesn't google very well). Kappa 19:57, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep (yes I finally voted). We seem to have no expertise in Japanese language or culture here, but on the evidence we do have so far, I say this is encyclopedic. Assuming that, it's an excellent short article. Andrewa 12:20, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. This is notable in the same way that Anonymous Coward and B1FF are notable; not as handles of real people, but a combination of a generic title and fictional character. That said, should the English Wikipedia be a repository of 2ch memes? A Man In Black 07:34, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. This character is an essential part of 2ch culture which has progressed beyond the status of a meme and is now a cultural icon, along with Mona, Giko-neko, and Shii. Compare the universal recognition of these characters on 2ch to relatively unimportant ones that fill the thousands of entries in the 2ch AA Daijiten which are mere memespawn to be forgotten between copy-pastes. 2ch is enormous, quite possibly the largest forum on the Internet, with millions of new posts every day, and over 700 separate boards. Just because you don't speak Japanese isn't a reason to write it off as unimportant. Also, there is no good reference for information on 2ch in English besides Wikipedia and some random forum posts scattered across the web, but there are hundreds of thousands of sites about 2ch in Japanese (Google gives almost a million for "2ch"). I would not oppose moving this article into a single "2ch Characters" article. Also, searching for 1さん would be better than 1-san because the latter is only a romanization. — Ts'éiyoosh 09:45, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Articles are typically at romanized names, but I have made a redirect from 1さん. --SPUI (talk) 11:43, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, since I forgot to actually specify my vote before. The fact that >>>1-san is not an individual person after all is largely immaterial, it is still a very small audience who even know about this term in the first place, and thus even those familiar with it won't think to search for it here because of its obscurity... and if anything this could be merged with n00b or first post or similar... Master Thief Garrett 12:18, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • 2ch apparently has 10 million visitors per day, that doesn't sound like a "very small audience". Kappa 08:35, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • keep please and dont get so carried away Yuckfoo 16:26, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, looks like something-cruft. Grue 18:08, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete -Fennec (はさばくのきつね) 19:21, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge to Internet slang. RadioActive 05:54, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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