Talk:Saavik

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2004

"It should be noted, however, that if Saavik's mixed ancestry were to be made canon, it would violate the continuity created by the Star Trek: The Original Series episode "Balance of Terror" (which takes place after Saavik's birth) in which Starfleet learns for the first time that Romulans resemble Vulcans, a fact that appears to be unknown to Vulcans as well.)" -- I wouldn't be surprised if Vulcans were ashamed of being related to Romulans and hid this fact from their fellow Federation members. :) Alensha 23:20, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I wouldn't be surprised either, given current events on Star Trek: Enterprise. There is in fact a Romulan-related story arc coming up on 2005, so it's possible we might learn a bit more. 23skidoo 15:13, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Image

Someone has really messed up the main image here. Can anyone track down the original uploaded file? I can't find it anymore. 23skidoo 00:33, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

And now the copyright police have deleted it completely. Can anyone upload a properly sourced fair use image of the character? 23skidoo 18:36, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There should be TWO images of the two ladies that played this part. I skimmed through several entries where the character is mentioned and the lady who played her second isn't even mentioned. Why the Hell not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.177.0.156 (talk) 15:50, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How does Spock address Saavvik in ST:II?

I hear him saying something like "Mista" or "mister" Saavik. Does anyone know what Spock is saying?

Mr. It's same as today's Navy parlance, even when addressing women. --EEMeltonIV 23:44, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I came here to read about it too. Kinda ridiculous, both Kirk and Spock call her mister. Why they call Uhura miss then? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.33.234.238 (talk) 16:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's about rank, not gender. I don't recall Uhura being addressed as miss; she's usually called lieutenant. I suspect if a miss slipped in, it was writer sloppiness. Xihr (talk) 20:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Military rank article has: [officer cadets] are referred to as Mister/Miss until the completion of the early stages of their training, thereafter non-officers will refer to him/her as Sir/Ma'am - so, there's gender? But even if it is customary to call women "Mr", does anyone have a reference to back this up? It's quite puzzling for non-army people. Thanks, 94.185.90.103 (talk) 03:34, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I was curious about this myself. This seems to be only a Star Trek thing. Articles right here on WP, such as Warrant officer (United Kingdom) and Officer Cadet (United States) confirm that "Ma'am", "Miss", "Mrs." and "Ms." are widely used by all branches of various militaries, including the U.S., U.K., Canada, Australia, etc. I also did some reading on some military message boards and found that this has been discussed many times, with the consensus being that referring to females (officer, elisted, non-com) as "Mr." is simply not done. (yes, I know that comes off as pov and wp:or but, this is only a talk page). - thewolfchild 15:11, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally; I notice that Starfleet Lieutenant Valeris (another female Vulcan) is referred to as "Ma'am" in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, so it seems using sir for Saavik was a one time thing, maybe to test the PC waters - Wolf

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September 2007

NOTE: The Star Trek Storybook for III explicitly says Saavik is half-human and half-Vulcan -- admittedly, this is probably a slip, and definitely "non-canon". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.161.158 (talk) 14:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE2: I have a scan of the original ST IV promotional photo of Curtis in uniform/makeup as Saavik which was reproduced in the photo magazine for the movie, but the image is actually a promo photo from the movie. If it is permissible as fair-use, I could upload it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.161.158 (talk • contribs) 10:56, September 24, 2007

Moved back to Saavik

First she was a Lieutenant JG not a Lieutenant in all canon appearances and second none of the Star Trek character articles use rank in the title (neither do the ones for seaQuest DSV, JAG, Star Wars, etc.) Dr. Stantz (talk) 19:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re Write the article

I agree that the article is poorly written. I could re write it, but I have clashed with Wikinazis before when I have rewritten articles for clarity. (that's why I dont have a log in name anymore- I decided it was pointless).

If no one objects in a timely manner, I may clarify some sentences for readability. I promise not to take away anything, and may even add a bit here or there. I wish I had the old Starlog magazines of the time to quote directly, but I could add the general knowledge that: A> "Someone stupid told Alley to cry" Leonard Nimoy ~ I Am Spock. B> Alley did not know how to play the character (her own admission, confirmed by Nimoy) BUT that Nimoy supported her entirely (confirmed by Nimoy in I Am Spock). etc etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.174.83.232 (talk) 16:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

According to the commentary on the latest version of the Star Trek IV DVD, Saavik is indeed pregnant with Spock's child, per Harve Bennett. According to Nimoy, the actor is the keeper of the character. According to tradition, Gene was the last word. Gene is dead, Harve is alive. I'm going with Harve on this one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.174.83.232 (talk) 07:18, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Non-canon

The section "Fictional biography" contains a whole back and forth about what is canon and non-canon and arguments about whether or not this violates continuity. It's a mess of speculation and large chunks of it should be removed. The article should stick to what reliable sources actually say. -- 109.79.168.149 (talk) 19:17, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]