Talk:Feeder (band)

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March 25, 2007	Good article nominee	Not listed
September 4, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
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April 17, 2023	Good article reassessment	Delisted
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Grunge

maybe we should add Grunge (early) since there early stuff was Grunge. 81.96.254.143 (talk) 09:02, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Omega Boost

Their song Shade was used as the Japanese intro of the PS game Omega Boost. Someone better add that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.97.173.240 (talk) 13:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One hit wonder?

Would Feeder be considered a One-hit wonder for the song "High"? Rad Racer 04:43, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No, High wasn't their biggest hit by a long way, "Insomnia", "Seven Days In The Sun", "Buck Rogers" and "Just The Way I'm Feeling" have all been in the UK charts, and I think Buck Rogers was pretty high up them. Joe D (t) 15:37, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Rad Racer you're skating on thin ice my friend. you must rmember that this band is not an American-based one. It's fandom lies truly in the Uk, which is where alot of their material is released, litle of it reaches the states' market. Buck Rogers charted at number five in the UK for about three weeks, as has the more recent Tumble and fall. however a real wonder is how the song Seven Days in the Sun stayed at number one in the Souh African charts and the UAE charts for more than 20 weeks. Can you also not forget the unforgetable Just a Day? Surely one of the most famous songs in the band's history (charting only number five in the christmas charts in the uk). Feeder as a band have been working together for almost ten years but the hisory stretches back way firther than that. High was released many years ago now but again their poularity is rising. You may not have heard the end of them yet.

Yes, they are only known for that one song in the U.S. It hit the top 40, was played constantly for awhile, and then abruptly, Feeder totally dropped off the radar screen. Rad Racer 22:11, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Gigography?

A gigography? That's going too far, IMO. I've searched through many famous bands (bigger, I must say, than Feeder, almost more notable live) and none of them contain gigographies. That kind of information is Fan Site only. I'm going to be putting up the two gigographies for vfd, as I can Wiki filling up with these things if it becomes a trend.

Just a Day

Just A Day didn't actually reach the UK Top 10, though it is Feeder's biggest selling single; it was in the chart for a long time and during the busiest period for CD sales (just before Christmas). Feeder have returned to the US on a number of occasions, they played well over 100 dates there in 1998, though tours since have been a lot smaller. I know Insomnia got some airplay in the US but there were a lot of problems with Elektra releasing the YWTS album at the time and it just got delayed and delayed until Feeder had already started work on the follow-up, Echo Park. Elektra now decided they wanted to forget about YWTS and release Echo Park instead. In the end YWTS was released with little or no promotion and ended the contractual obligation (2 albums) Feeder had with them. Although I heard Seven Days in the Sun reached no.2 in the UAE, I'm not sure if this was just a playlist chart, and I seriously doubt it was number 1 for 20 weeks. Alex H. --TheAlex 17:22, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Just a Day reached no. 13 in the UK charts though it is Feeders biggest selling single even though Buck Rogers reached no.2 (more releases / sales around Christmas explains the difference in chart position). Seven Days in the Sun did reach no. 1 in the UAE, although I couldn't tell you how long for.

"High" made #24 on the US Modern rock chart and stayed there for 16 weeks, it also made #36 on the Mainstream Rock and "Cement" made something like #31 or #36 on the Mainstream as well, so they have like two US hits as it wasn't like "Cement" came after "High" :), but "High" is what Feeder are known for in the US.

"Buck Rogers" made #1 in South Africa on their national chart based on airplay audience figures over the week, not too sure about the UAE weeks at #1 for 7DITS but the track "Comfort In Sound" definetly made #8 for a week over there.

I believe an EP was left off of the discography, the "Yesterday Went to Soon EP." It's only three tracks long, but contains the notable "Tomorrow Shine." Just thought I'd bring it to attention. Cody W.

to be honest im like a majour feeder fan and i think that all there songs are amazing but i sware to giod they did release just a day in the charts!

Just A Day reached #12 in the UK charts in it's opening week, not #13. FYI :) - slak —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.129.210.61 (talk) 08:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References Section addition

Have now added references to the existing article, I think there are far too many from the everyhit.com searchable database, so might tidy up later. Annon- 10th December 2006.

Have now tidied up the references as mentioned above. If any of you guys like to clean up the article, then please feel free to do so :-). Annon- 10th December 2006.

Added additional information about Jon Lee's suicide

Call me picky, but I believe that simply a sentence about Jon Lee's suicide wasn't enough. It was a pivotal moment in Feeders history and played a part in inspiring the sound in Comfort In Sound, therefore I feel its imperative to inform readers about this. I included a section from the main Jon Lee article, if thats ok.

I'm sorry if that crosses the Neutral line :P

Tommyhaych 12:04, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, I've just deleted the text you entered that already appears in the article itself, and kept the link to the article.

Marcus_Bowen 18:22, 30th January 2007

Tidied up discography section

I've just ammended the "Studio Albums" section, so it don't look too clustered up with chart positions, and also has a better feel and presentation to it :). I will do the same for "Other Releases" also :).

EDIT:- Have now added a table for the singles. It's now easier to read and not clustered up with crufty style, and I've only included the charts that matter. If I get the complete UK Airplay top 100 history, I will add this into the table also :).

EDIT 2:- I have added the chart positions for the top 100 airplay chart that I know. The ones I'm sure that have got into the chart, but do not know the positions I have marked with a query.

Marcus_Bowen 30th January 2007 18:21.

Grade B rating

Hi, Just realised the article is rated with a "B", how would be go about making it the highest possible? Marcus Bowen 27th February 19:15

There are a number of things you can do to get a higher rating. First, ask for a peer review. Experienced editors will review your article and make suggestions for improvements. If they feel that the article is of a good enough caliber, then they might nominate it for the Good Article review process. That process will asses whether the article meets the Good Article criteria. Those reviewers might also make suggestions for improvement which would qualify the article for Featured Article status. Please check out the Article development page for more suggestions to improve this and other articles. - cgilbert^{(talk|contribs)} 14:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help! :), I've just submitted the article for a peer review! :D.

Marcus Bowen 18:09, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article clean-up

I have now cleaned up the article, and added retrieval dales for the references. I've also put some information into a list and linked to other Wikipedia articles within the article only once. The references that are missing will be added in due course.

Sorry I didn't sign in for the edits originally :).

Marcus Bowen 12:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article now looks pretty good with nice and clear concise presentation. After Hyperspacey checks over the article, I'll see what the general idea is regarding a good or featured status nomination :).

Marcus Bowen 16:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All I'd say is to try and merge some of the paragraphs together- some of them are only about a sentence long and would look better together. Nice one Marcus! Hyperspacey 10:52, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References

I am currently using citeweb to clean up the references into a much more concise presentation format. By the end of next week they should be ready. I will then consider nominating the article for "Good" status, but only after hearing suggestions from fellow Wikipedians.

Marcus Bowen 15:30, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have cleaned up the references section to a better level of presentation, and now added references for statements that were not referenced before. My only concern is the general feel of the article and the amount of references. Any feedback and suggestions on the article are welcome :).

Marcus Bowen 21:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Peer review feedback

After acting on the feedback on the recent peer review, I have given the article a complete rewrite with the possiblity of adding more images into the article.

I still have saved on my computer the wiki markup code of the original version, and so will still have it just in case it's a better idea to revert back to the original text and just clean that up instead.

Marcus Bowen 18:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Replaced original fair use image

I have replaced the original copyrighted image with one of my own. It's the best one I got of the official line up all together.

I'd rather prefer the original one there, but it's been flagged up by another Wikipedian that it might not be of fair use, and I have replaced it as a result, and after all rules are rules and I appreciate the reasons why it was flagged up :-).

Marcus Bowen 12:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Nomination

Youtube as an inline citation? That's copyright violation, and needs to be ridden of ASAP. LuciferMorgan 23:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed the reference and information it was referencing. If was nothing important to the article anyway.--Eastlygod 01:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA

There are currently three external jumps throughout the article - Sandstone Veterans, Loot., and Fflam festival - remove or convert to reference (if need be)
Images are missing sources - where you got it from and fair use rationales
One sentence paragraphs need to be merged, removed or expanded as this violates critiera 1. "well written"
The following year the band released a b-sides compilation titled Picture of Perfect Youth, and will be re-released March 19, 2007. Reference?
critical success in the United Kingdom upon release, but very modest sales, Despite this success, The success of the album, The band are very loyal supporters of the charities, included the band's first hit single - POV statements
don't wikilink solo years like 2004 - link 1992 to 1992 in music.
Feeder are a Welsh Brit nominated rock band first established - spot the redundant word? first is not needed
and taking their current name in 1994. "taking their name" is..well..confusing :O?
To think about it could use a copy edit - The bands original drummer Jon Lee took his own life in 2002. is stuck on the end with no flow
achieved critical success in the United Kingdom upon release, but very modest sales. If you reference the lead reference this.
To date the band have sold over 1 million albums in the UK, and 3.5 million records worldwide at the end of 2005. To date (means today) then at the end it says at the end of 2005? which year are these figures from?
Spelling - sucsess - You use bands which refers to multiple bands if you're referring to just Feeder it's the "band's"
Grant Nicholas, then 24 formed a rock band called 'Hum' with fellow Newport- could be changed to At the age of 24, vocalist Grant Nicholas formed a rock band called blah blah
name to Feeder. Only bold it in the first sentence of the article.
Next studio album recordings (2007–2008) - According to my watch it's 2007 ;O so merge this short stubby section into "Pushing The Senses" and "The Singles" (2005-2006) and rename it (2005-present)
The bands first release was their two-track EP "Two Colours", it was a limited edition sold only at gigs and today is one of the most sought-after Feeder releases. Could be converted to "The band's first release was a two-track limited edition EP titled "Two Colours", that was only available at gigs and is one of the most sought-after Feeder releases." for better flow, link EP also
Echo signed Feeder in - Echo Records signed (also how?)
The band's debut album, Polythene, followed the following - Hmm interesting that last part

The article needs better flow throughout, removing POV statements "hit" "success" and the images need fair use rationales. Goodluck, if you disagree with this review feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Good article review to get other reviewers opinions, but this process takes longer then waiting for a review :S. M3tal H3ad 11:18, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!, I have replied to your feedback on your talk page, and have worked on each point you listed. I have deleted a few things that I am unable to citate, and images I didn't upload myself and so am unable to verify the fair use of them.

Thanks very much for your feedback, and I hope the next nomination will be a sucsess!!! :D.

Marcus Bowen 15:55, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures are not a requirement for GA, but are for Featured Article. The solo years (years by themselves) such as 2005 should not be wikilinked and - The album was released on the February 31, 2005 to a series of mixed reviews.[35] Perhaps some a quote from a good review and a bad one?, with the Magazine or website mentioned with the reviewers name. As an example "Bob Jones of All Music Guide gave the album praise asserting "blah blah", while Rollingstone reviewer Kevin Federline dismissed the album as "blah blah blah". Anyway goodluck next nomination - if you feel it's ready you should nominate it now as you will be waiting awhile, currently a big GA backlog. Cheerio. M3tal H3ad 11:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please find references for the {{fact}} tags, and try to wikilink a key term (such as Grant Nicholas) the first time it appears in the article, and then never again. — Jack · talk · 03:26, Thursday, 5 April 2007

GA on hold

There are still a few issues with this article, but it has come a long way. In my opinion, it would be GA-ready with a copyedit and more citations. The "current live insturmentation" section needs a rethink-not crucial to an understanding of the band. I'm putting it on hold, but I will work on it along with the main editors in order to get it to GA. ErleGrey 17:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Progress? this article has two days left and still lots of [citation needed] tags. M3tal H3ad 13:06, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They're cleaned up now. I've got a few more clean ups to do with Wikilinking. Marcus Bowen 13:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's done some of it. Marcus Bowen 21:32, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Label

Are Feeder still with Echo? I don't think they are and that they were looking for a new deal. can someone cite this?

The next album will be on Echo, the deal is for 6 albums.Marcus Bowen 13:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But wasn't album 6 the singles collection? That's why it came out, because the band were done with the label.(Cm619 11:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)CM619Cm619 11:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Compilation albums don't count towards an artists contract :) Marcus Bowen 21:16, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mispelling in Ref List

I noticed that "definitely" is mispelled "definetly" in the title for reference footnote 49. I don't seem to be able to edit this section. Anyone know how?

Just sorted it :) Marcus Bowen 12:00, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have a free image of the band that I took in 2001, with Jon Lee

This is a reminder to myself. I may upload it later.--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 08:42, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article re-write

In reaction to the recent peer review, I have re-written the article, and am slowly working on adding references to the article.

I am taking the process one step at a time, and will after adequately referencing my sources (I will get a fellow Wikipedian to have a look over once that's done), find a series of free images to accomodate the article. After that I will get the aritcle looked over by the same wikipedia, and then submitt another peer review before nominating it for a good article. From here I will then consider FA status depending on the outcome of the good article nomination Marcus Bowen 22:40, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great to me. I think this should be GA or A-class. The only problem I foresee at FA would be the overreliance on websites as sources, but you may well get it there. Good luck! DrKiernan 07:47, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it looks pretty good to me too. I hope the addition of my picture helps.-h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 17:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA review

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
It is stable.
It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
Overall:
a Pass/Fail:

Two comments: 1.) Is there no criticism of this band? If there is, it has to be included, with sources. If not, great. 2.) Image:Feeder Reading 2002 BBC website.jpg and Image:Reading 2006.JPG should be removed and deleted per WP:NFCC#1. A free equivalent of them playing is already present in the article. If they're there for another purpose, then let me know. Other than this, it's an excellent article. --Boricu æ ddie 20:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've put the article's nomination on hold until my comments are addressed. The article should also be proofread, as I have found several grammatical errors, such as the use of the word "it's" instead of "its" (I fixed this one). If they are not addressed within seven days, I will fail this nom. --Boricu æ ddie 20:28, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent work!

Passed. --Boricu æ ddie 20:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Drop NME Criticism?

I don't think criticism by a single magazine justifies its own section. NME are generally biased against those who aren't helping it shift sales of its crappy magazine, basically if you aren't indie or the flavour of the month, you're crap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.15.11 (talk) 11:04, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up!!, might give it some thought. NME are a bunch of idiots who know diddly squat about music. Marcus Bowen 18:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done! :). Marcus Bowen 10:43, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another yesterday?

I see no mention of the underground album 'another yesterday', a follow-up album to yesterday wernt too soon here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipedia991 (talk • contribs) 03:32, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's a Japanese-only collection of B-sides and single edits, and is not neccesarily an album in of itself. Similar releases followed Echo Park, CiS and PtS, if I remember right. PS- a roaring "nice job" to Mr Marcus Bowen for writing one of the better band articles on Wikipedia. Well done. Hyperspacey —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.206.52 (talk) 01:36, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is this POV?

What's the evidence for this? "With the lead single "Buck Rogers" from their 2001 album Echo Park, Feeder entered the mainstream" Okay I admit they weren't that popular after polythene but they were very well known. 87.194.134.71 (talk) 03:41, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Grammer

I keep attempting to correct the first sentence and someone keeps changing it back. It should read, "Feeder is...," not "Feeder are...". I am going to change it back in the hopes that whoever is changing it will leave it in its corrected form. If there is any question, please check out today's featured article, "Pearl Jam," which also reads, "Pearl Jam is..." in a correct phrasing. Thank you--Startstop123 (talk) 13:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I now understand the grammer used thanks to Bornfury's comment. Thank you. I did make other edits that you reverted that had nothing to do with the differences between American English and British English. Instead of going back and revising the entire article again, can you retain some of the good grammatical/sentence changes that were made?--Startstop123 (talk) 14:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Mark Richardson Leaving the Band

Where is this actually cited? Someone wrote this on the Wiki, but I've browsed many places and cannot see it anywhere. - Wick (talk) 17:34, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Feeder in Gran Turismo 3

Nobody seems to have remembered that Feeder were given a tonne of exposure after being featured in Gran Turismo 3, the game was the second best selling thing on PS2, and it featured two of their best known songs: Buck Rogers and Just a Day. It has long been argued that this exposure was what made them successful back in 2001. Should this not be added somewhere? - Emu76 (talk) 21:13, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

who is simon bight? isnt Karl Brazil the new drummer? and what about feeder featuring in the original Gran Turismo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.138.112 (talk) 22:16, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Karl Brazil is not Feeder's drummer

People keep changing the article to say that Karl Brazil is a permanent member of Feeder. He is not. He is a session player who works with Feeder a lot, but he is not a member of the band. I believe he was briefly credited as a member back in 2010 for the Renegades side project only. If you believe that he is a permanent member, please add a recent source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Literatesalmon (talk • contribs) 14:04, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

Feeder (band)

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Result: Uncited material including statistics and information regarding living people (GA criterion 2) ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:50, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA from 2007. Significant citation issues in the history section, members, and sales and legacy section while the awards section is unsourced. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:35, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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