Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Order of Mars
The result of the debate was delete [added by Andre🚐 23:14, 15 August 2022 (UTC) for afdstats]
Order of Mars: either patent nonsense (even after NPOVing), or if true, totally, utterly unnotable (the fantasy of some individual). I suspect this might be an attempt at some form of character assassination, as the individual concerned, John_L._Westbrook, seems to be a controversial political figure in his locality.--Ianb 06:19, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Keep Mr. Westbrook appears to be a very prominent occultist. I believe it is notable to mention his group if you are going to mention other groups such as the Temple of Set or Church of Satan. Moreover, Mr. Westbrook has been very open about his "lifestyle," I don't see why he would mind being properly defined on this site. While his quotes could be misconstrued as a sharp blow to Michael Aquino as well as some of the other members of his former occult group, the Temple of Set, they are nevertheless his own words as he was quoted in the February 2004 issue of Penthouse. Besides, Westbrook's Order of Mars is an incorporated non-profit organization, recognized by both the IRS and the State of Oklahoma. Check the facts.
- (Note: above comment was by anonymous User:207.69.136.201 and subsequently copyedited by anonymous User:4.244.87.244.) --Ardonik.talk() 19:50, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)
- The above is Sock-Puppetry. Delete, Google search +"Order of Mars" and +Westbrook produces 0 results, which is other than expected for a "prominent occultist" and politician. -Vina 16:48, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Delete; non-notable. Article also doesn't read like a proper encyclopedia article. Psychonaut 17:10, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Keep; the above named "sock puppet" hath modified the article to contain some of the more inflammatory remarks made during the Penthouse interview. Puppet motions that this article be retained in its updated format. Motion is put before this honorable commitee.
- (Note: above comment was by anonymous User:207.69.138.198.) --Ardonik.talk() 19:53, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)
- Comment: the article now looks a lot saner. However, how exactly is this tax-exempt, non-profit neo-satanic fraternity from Oklahoma notable? I'm minded to merge the little information it now contains with the article on Mr. Westbrook. --Ianb 19:10, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Comment; I would think it would be better to merge it with the Satanism article, however I'd like to hear your comments first.
- (Note: above comment was by anonymous User:207.69.136.202. In the future, sign your edits with four tildes, like so: ~~~~) --Ardonik.talk() 19:53, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)
- After having read both Order of Mars and John L. Westbrook, I don't think there's anything that could be said in the former that wasn't already mentioned in the latter, unless we were going to transcribe the entire interview (and the Wikipedia is no place for such things.) My vote is to merge with John L. Westbrook and delete or redirect (though I don't feel that it's notable enough for a redirect, doing so will discourage others from re-creating the page.) --Ardonik.talk() 19:59, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)
- There is no "merge and delete". There are delete, keep, and merge and redirect, or redirect, or No vote. No vote--Samuel J. Howard 03:00, Sep 10, 2004 (UTC)
- Comment; Sock Puppet concurs......Merge with John L. Westbrook article.
- Delete. Promotion of an unremarkable person. Wile E. Heresiarch 03:05, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Ambi 03:37, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Information is unverifiable and probably fictional. If he was as controversial a figure as this and John L. Westbrook make him out to be, there would be something about him accessible through Google. But I can't find anything relevant. — Gwalla | Talk 21:52, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Delete unless anyone can show how this is notable. Andre 20:09, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)