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Arab Orthodox Movement

The Arab Orthodox Movement is a newly created article that probably deserves a dedicated subsection here. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:10, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

error in Notable Palestinians/journalists

The line for Issa Al-Issa, founder of Filastin newspaper, cites its founding as in "Jaffa, Palestine" in 1909. In 1909 Jaffa was part of the Ottoman Empire, and it was part of the Sanjak of Jerusalem, also called the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem. There was no "Palestine" region, administratively or legally, at that time. This is analogous to citing "Charleston, Appalachia" rather than "Charleston, West Virginia" or "Charleston, WV, USA". It should be edited to reflect this: "Jaffa, Ottoman Empire", or "Jaffa, Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem" to be accurate. 77.69.132.122 (talk) 15:41, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Palestine was not the name of a formal political division, but it was the informal name of the region. In English writing of the time, it is hard to find anything else. Zero^talk 00:33, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Errors in article

considering the IDF being more lenient with the Christians, I would say it isn't true. My village fully Christian and in the Galilee was massacred and expelled. Massacre of Ilabun 185.53.41.59 (talk) 00:24, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any evidence of this? I don’t mean to be rude, but it’s Wikipedia in the time of sustained information warfare.. anyone can say anything, so without additional context your comment looks like propaganda. 49.185.179.55 (talk) 09:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See Eilabun massacre. Both of you need to read WP:ARBECR. There is a difference between these comments. 185.53.41.59 has made what amounts to an edit request presumably referring to the statement "More lenience was applied to the Christians of the Galilee" in this Palestinian Christians article. You, 49.185.179.55, have commented on it. This is not allowed by the remedies. You can make a different edit request but you can't join this one. Only extendedconfirmed editors can respond. Sean.hoyland (talk) 09:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The percentage and population

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change the percentage (6%) to (25%-30%) because it’s completely inaccurate and biased for us Palestinian Christians to be only “6%” 6% is only 800,000 of the Palestinian population but Chile alone has around 500,000 Palestinian Christians, and most countries in South America has at least 100,000 Palestinian Christians also I’m not sure how to type my source in because I’m new to Wikipedia Jajajasss (talk) 12:02, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jajajasss: If you can provide a link to the source website or the name of the print source, we can format it for you. Please make sure that the source meets the guidelines at WP:RS. Liu1126 (talk) 12:20, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alright but before that, may I please see your source for Palestinians being 6% (with all respect) ❤️ Jajajasss (talk) 13:44, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See reference 2. The archived link is here. Liu1126 (talk) 14:16, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

but it’s inaccurate, we need to use logic in this case it literally says they’re roughly 400k but chile alone has over 500,000 Palestinian Christians and the Palestinian Christians are over 4 million world wide in which the majority of them are residing in southern America and other Latin countries. Palestinian Christians have been immigrating there since the times of the Ottoman Empire until now. day by day many of us immigrate due to the conditions of the conflict between us and israel. Cities in the north and coast of israel had a Christian Palestinian majority in which they were driven out, murdered and expelled to lebanon mostly, during the Cammile Chamoun era he gave Lebanese citizenships to almost every Palestinian Christian refugee. 2001:8F8:1335:2372:19F4:EFFE:F8CB:6D67 (talk) 21:44, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, logic like that probably constitutes original research, and even if we accept this logic, then we can at most conclude that the actual percentage might not be 6% without actually proving your claim of 25%-30%. What we need is a direct statement from a reliable source along the lines of "25%-30% of Palestinians are Christians", or at least a set of values from which we can calculate the percentage using simple division (per WP:CALC). You also need to provide a source for the claim that Chile has over 500,000 Palestinian Christians. Liu1126 (talk) 22:54, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alright yes I have sources, first source: https://sites.google.com/view/palestinian-christians/home

second source: https://ar.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/الدين_في_فلسطين

translate the second source if you’re not a arabic speaker. Jajajasss (talk) 10:08, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The first source is a personal website without an identifiable publisher, which falls under WP:UGC and hence is considered generally unacceptable. The second source is another Wikipedia article, which again falls under WP:UGC. Besides, the article uses the same source mentioned above to support the statement "...constitutes 6%-30% of Palestinians worldwide", even though the source only mentions"...roughly 6.5% of all Palestinians". Liu1126 (talk) 11:57, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Edward Said should be added to the list of notable Palestinian Christians

(1935-2003) Edward Wadie Said was a Palestinian American academic of Christian Palestinian descent. He was a founder of post-colonial studies and a professor of literature at Columbia University. Born in Jerusalem, Said’s memoir ‘Out of Place’ reveals how his early life influenced his books ‘Orientalism’ and ‘Culture and Imperialism’. 7atar (talk) 16:39, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Arab tribes

@Evaporation123: Thanks for the useful additions. I think now however there is an implication that Palestinian Arab Christians are only Arabized culturally and linguistically, without regard to the Arab lineage of many Palestinian families including from Ghassanids for example. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I made an edit mentioning the Ghassanids just now in the early history section. Evaporation123 (talk) 18:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also keep in mind, most Palestinians in general ultimately do not have ancestry from the Arabian peninsula. See Origin of the Palestinians. Evaporation123 (talk) 18:08, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Allegation falsely stated as fact

This section falsely presents as fact the allegation that IDF snipers killed the two Catholic women: "Since the start of the ongoing Israel–Hamas war in October 2023, there have been several incidents involving Palestinian Christians in the Gaza Strip, most notably the Church of Saint Porphyrius airstrike and the killing of two Catholic women by an Israeli sniper in the Holy Family Parish in northern Gaza."

In reality this is contested, which is notable since the IDF frequently admits when it mistakenly kills civilians. See https://www.foxnews.com/world/idf-rebuffs-accusations-killed-two-women-church-gaza-investigation-continues.

And: https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/256335/after-military-review-idf-again-denies-killing-two-women-at-gaza-catholic-church 174.194.135.221 (talk) 08:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fixed 7th smciation. 64.189.18.53 (talk) 05:47, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Left guide (talk) 05:54, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]