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June 12, 2005	Peer review	Reviewed
March 5, 2007	Peer review	Reviewed
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Lies in state?

"Lies in state"? Isn't it supposed to be "Lays in state"? 195.50.204.228 22:41, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Lies in state" is correct. SNIyer12, 14:55, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He cannot be left alone even in his funeral

There are people who have the decency to not criticize the dead, while being open about their acknowledged shortcomings -- President Clinton at Nixon's funeral for example. Others do not and we see examples of them on page.--Jackkalpakian 19:48, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

G-8 Summit

Not all world leaders who attended the G-8 Summit attended the funeral. I try to make clear which world leaders who attended the funeral that were at the summit. Both the funeral and the summit took place at the same time. SNIyer12 (talk) 01:16, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They occured during the same week. Nonetheless, it is POV to include that, as it is implying that leaders, such as Tony Blair and Gerhard Schroder, only attended because they were already in the US for the G-8 summit. Happyme22 (talk) 01:05, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not necesarily. Some world leaders who were in the U.S. for the G-8 Summit chose not to attend the funeral, like Russian President Vladimir Putin, and Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi. They paid tribute at the G-8 Summit. SNIyer12 (talk) 23:51, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nevertheless, it is POV to say that the leaders of the big eight countries *who attended the funeral* were there at the same time as the G8. Again, it implies that they only came because of that. Happyme22 (talk) 00:00, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relevancy of NSSE in Sea Island

User:SNIyer12 has repeatedly added the phrase: "However, DHS was handling another NSSE at the same time: the G-8 Summit in Sea Island, Georgia."

First, I don't see any relevancy to this, and classify it as trivia because it has very little to do with the Reagan funeral. It would be relevant if there were somehow a shortage of law enforcement or problems with security because there were two at once, but I have not heard anything such as that.

Second, I recently nominated the article for GA status, and this piece is uncited. I favor it's removal, but let's see what others think. Happyme22 (talk) 17:04, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I want to make it clear that both the funeral and the G-8 Summit happened at the same time and both events were declared NSSE's. SNIyer12 (talk) 21:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, speaking of law enforcement, you saw what happened in Britain during the G-8 Summit in 2005 when the London bombings happened. London was short on law enforcement to deal with the terrorist attack because of the G-8 Summit in Gleneagles, Scotland.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Death and state funeral of Ronald Reagan/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Hello, I will be reviewing this article for GA grading. Thanks!--Finalnight (talk) 01:46, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:
The article is well written and easy to read.

B. MoS compliance:
It meets MOS standards. My only comment would be that the article appears slightly overlinked. However, this is a subjective guideline and the issue is not blantant.
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:
Fully referenced

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
The vast majority of references are primary community-recognized reliable sources

C. No original research:
I found no original research in my review of the article.
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:
The article is appropriately broad in coverage of its subject material.

B. Focused:
The article shows sufficient detail where and when it is warranted.
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
This is the only criteria that is giving me pause. The article shows an overly strong positive bias towards its subject matter. I noticed some emotional language being used as well such as usage of the word gently and the emotional terms "A poignant moment" and "final journey home" among others. Also, there was selective inclusion of emotion-laden quotes from mourners. The section on negative reaction to the death and state funeral was limited to only the media's reaction.
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Pretty stable overall.
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
All images were properly tagged.

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Images and captions were used in this article.
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
I am placing this on hold to have this article given a more neutral tone and pov. Thanks for the work you have done so far and best of luck in your improvements!

--Finalnight (talk) 03:47, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for the review. So it seems that you feel that the article does not fully comply with NPOV standards. Let me give the article a thorough look over and copyedit, hopefully rewording and restructuring problematic areas. Then let's see where we stand after that. Fair enough? Thanks again, Happyme22 (talk) 06:04, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good to me!--Finalnight (talk) 07:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Okay, I've run through it, keeping in ming your suggestions above. Does it look better? And if not, could you provide specific areas that you feel need improvement to get the article to GA? Of course the media comments section could use expansion to include quotes from the general public, but I don't feel that it is holding the article back from becoming GA. I think one of the biggest problems is that pretty much all of the media coverage was deferential to Reagan because he had just died, focusing on the positive aspects of his life and of the funeral itself. I will make some more attempts, though. Happyme22 (talk) 17:49, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well I've now added some additional critical comments from the public and retitled the last section to reflect such. Happyme22 (talk) 17:59, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I did some cleanup on top of your changes and it looks ready to go now.--Finalnight (talk) 21:34, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wonderful! Thanks for all your suggestions and help! Happyme22 (talk) 21:55, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Six-day funeral?

"A six-day state funeral followed, spanning June 5th to 11th." I fixed some minor grammatical issues, but there's still a math issue: June 5th to (through) June 11th is seven days (count them). So, would someone who has the proper information either correct the dates, or change "six-day" to "seven-day"? Thanks, Unimaginative Username (talk) 06:58, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Seems someone's fixed that. WODUP (talk) 15:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested move to Death and funeral of Ronald Reagan

How about moving this article from Death and state funeral of Ronald Reagan to Death and funeral of Ronald Reagan? I know it was a state funeral, but Wikipedia's article naming convention says we should not be more precise than necessary. TheCoffee (talk) 03:52, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move See Death and state funeral of Gerald Ford, State funeral of John F. Kennedy, etc. In writing the Death and funeral of Richard Nixon article, I deliberately left out the word "state" from the title because Nixon's was not technically a full-on state funeral. So the word "state" is actually being used in the titles of some articles to differentiate one type of a funeral from another. I'd keep it. Happyme22 (talk) 04:28, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm aware of that the word "state" is kept in other similar articles, but applying the proposal to all these articles... the word "state" isn't necessary to disambiguate these articles from any other funerals. Same reason that (off the top of my head) the article for USA PATRIOT Act is not located at "USA PATRIOT Act of 2001". TheCoffee (talk) 19:30, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Let's keep "state" Agreed with TheCoffee SNIyer12 (talk), 20:30, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep state in name and keep a non-state rdr if needed. — MrDolomite • Talk 14:55, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support move clearly "state" is redundant, as it is still a funeral even if it is a state funeral. Just because other articles have bad titles does not mean this one should also have it; rather they should all be moved.Arsenikk ^(talk) 15:01, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Public and media comment

This section should be renamed. The vast majority of public and media comment was laudatory, and this section focuses on a few comments that denigrate Reagan. Whether those comments are fair or not is irrelevant; the section is really more of a dissenting or critical views section and should be captioned as such. The title suggests a fair diversity of comments/viewpoints, but that is not what it delivers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.26.35 (talk) 06:49, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I came here to write the same thing but you covered it quite well. This is a good example of wikipedia's bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.189.133.219 (talk) 06:46, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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